Comments on: The Rise Of Techno-Cheating & Fall Of Memorization http://www.ypulse.com/the-rise-of-techno-cheating-fall-of-memorization Daily news and insight into the Millennial generation for media and marketing professionals Wed, 25 Jan 2012 11:05:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Gen Y Plagiarism & The Rise Of The Wiki-mentality | Ypulse http://www.ypulse.com/the-rise-of-techno-cheating-fall-of-memorization/comment-page-1#comment-11111 Gen Y Plagiarism & The Rise Of The Wiki-mentality | Ypulse Mon, 01 Mar 2010 20:13:24 +0000 http://www.ypulse.com/?p=10041#comment-11111 [...] from a Common Sense Media survey on teens using technology to cheat and several excerpts from previous Ypulse posts on the topic. From there, rest assured, I responded in my own words and properly cited and linked [...] [...] from a Common Sense Media survey on teens using technology to cheat and several excerpts from previous Ypulse posts on the topic. From there, rest assured, I responded in my own words and properly cited and linked [...]

]]> By: Todd A. Eilts http://www.ypulse.com/the-rise-of-techno-cheating-fall-of-memorization/comment-page-1#comment-5642 Todd A. Eilts Wed, 22 Jul 2009 03:24:01 +0000 http://www.ypulse.com/?p=10041#comment-5642 I cannot agree more with the very thesis of this thread. I still find it hard to fathom why memorization is such a critical concept in education. The ability to work within a group is so critical that it's almost too late to teach when in the field. My wife is a research chemist, she has to deal with this conundrum every day, brilliant people with no ability to communicate. The statement that Johnny/Susie dosen't work and play well together needs to be taken much more seriously than they don't have the 12x tables memorized. It appears to both of us that the higher your level of education, the less communacative you are! I cannot agree more with the very thesis of this thread. I still find it hard to fathom why memorization is such a critical concept in education. The ability to work within a group is so critical that it’s almost too late to teach when in the field. My wife is a research chemist, she has to deal with this conundrum every day, brilliant people with no ability to communicate. The statement that Johnny/Susie dosen’t work and play well together needs to be taken much more seriously than they don’t have the 12x tables memorized. It appears to both of us that the higher your level of education, the less communacative you are!

]]> By: Is It Cheating Or Is It Collaboration? | dv8-designs http://www.ypulse.com/the-rise-of-techno-cheating-fall-of-memorization/comment-page-1#comment-5635 Is It Cheating Or Is It Collaboration? | dv8-designs Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:48:56 +0000 http://www.ypulse.com/?p=10041#comment-5635 [...] I’d never really thought of it that way. Someone who ought to remain anonymous alerts me to a discussion of a recent study on student “cheating” on exams via mobile phones and similar technology, which found, not only that lots of kids do it, but that [...] [...] I’d never really thought of it that way. Someone who ought to remain anonymous alerts me to a discussion of a recent study on student “cheating” on exams via mobile phones and similar technology, which found, not only that lots of kids do it, but that [...]

]]> By: Eric Jaffa http://www.ypulse.com/the-rise-of-techno-cheating-fall-of-memorization/comment-page-1#comment-5604 Eric Jaffa Sat, 18 Jul 2009 17:12:46 +0000 http://www.ypulse.com/?p=10041#comment-5604 RE "just 16 percent say calling or texting friends to warn them of a pop quiz is cheating." I'm a grownup, and I don't consider that cheating, either. Students don't take an oath after a pop-quiz not to tell other people that they took one. RE “just 16 percent say calling or texting friends to warn them of a pop quiz is cheating.”

I’m a grownup, and I don’t consider that cheating, either.

Students don’t take an oath after a pop-quiz not to tell other people that they took one.

]]> By: Dr. Sanford Aranoff http://www.ypulse.com/the-rise-of-techno-cheating-fall-of-memorization/comment-page-1#comment-5602 Dr. Sanford Aranoff Sat, 18 Jul 2009 13:48:37 +0000 http://www.ypulse.com/?p=10041#comment-5602 Students must learn basic principles and rules of logic, and be tested accordingly, not tested for facts one can memorize. Stressing this would help curb cheating. See "Teaching and Helping Students Think and Do Better" on amazon. Students must learn basic principles and rules of logic, and be tested accordingly, not tested for facts one can memorize. Stressing this would help curb cheating. See “Teaching and Helping Students Think and Do Better” on amazon.

]]> By: Rob Volpe http://www.ypulse.com/the-rise-of-techno-cheating-fall-of-memorization/comment-page-1#comment-5596 Rob Volpe Fri, 17 Jul 2009 21:05:16 +0000 http://www.ypulse.com/?p=10041#comment-5596 As I was reading this, I had the thought "they need to change the focus away from memorization" - so I personally think you are right on target with this. At it's greatest level, school should help people learn how to think and behave. At times memorization might play a role in that but it seems like it's time for a wholesale reevaluation. As I was reading this, I had the thought “they need to change the focus away from memorization” – so I personally think you are right on target with this.

At it’s greatest level, school should help people learn how to think and behave. At times memorization might play a role in that but it seems like it’s time for a wholesale reevaluation.

]]> By: Ryan Scott http://www.ypulse.com/the-rise-of-techno-cheating-fall-of-memorization/comment-page-1#comment-5595 Ryan Scott Fri, 17 Jul 2009 21:01:21 +0000 http://www.ypulse.com/?p=10041#comment-5595 If kids don't realize copying someone else's work from the internet is plagiarism, who's fault is that? This reinforces my argument that we're not teaching important principles. If kids don’t realize copying someone else’s work from the internet is plagiarism, who’s fault is that? This reinforces my argument that we’re not teaching important principles.

]]> By: Ryan Scott http://www.ypulse.com/the-rise-of-techno-cheating-fall-of-memorization/comment-page-1#comment-5594 Ryan Scott Fri, 17 Jul 2009 20:54:32 +0000 http://www.ypulse.com/?p=10041#comment-5594 The premise of memorization is the problem here. What's far more important than memorizing some formulas is knowing where to find them and how to apply them. In NO industry is collaboration considered cheating. Only in SCHOOL is this a problem. What are we teaching our kids? I'm an employer. I want my employees reaching out and building networks of people that can help them. I struggle with this whole 'that's cheating' attitude. It's something I need to UNTEACH my employees. It does NOT matter to me if you know how to do something, it matters to me that you can figure out how to do it. Most businesses, especially information based, need employees who know how to find and apply information, not that have a repository of facts in their heads. We are creating everything new - NO ONE knows how to do the things many companies deal with on a daily basis unless you are a clerk of some kind. We are figuring it all out on the fly. Building alliances, search skills, knowing where and how to find information - all these are what's valuable. The argument that school, memorization, and solitary work teaches you how to think is absolutely wrong. If we really want to teach people how to think, we should have a class called How To Think, not Ancient Greek History. You don't teach thinking skills by forcing 30 people to memorize the same names, dates, and events. You do it by teaching principles, and by teaching directly the actual skills the education system claims to want to create. We need more 'How to Think', 'How to Collaborate', 'How to Negotiate', 'How to Resolve Conflict' and less 'Memorize a bunch of stuff for a test' Plagiarism is an exception. Passing off someone elses work as your own is clearly wrong. But forcing kids to memorize facts and not giving them what's truly important - that is to say thinking skills is the big problem here. Thinking about plagiarism some more. I'm always telling my employees to research before writing - cobble together a collection of other people's work and give me an opinion. Build on whats already out there, don't start from scratch. The premise of memorization is the problem here. What’s far more important than memorizing some formulas is knowing where to find them and how to apply them.

In NO industry is collaboration considered cheating. Only in SCHOOL is this a problem. What are we teaching our kids?

I’m an employer. I want my employees reaching out and building networks of people that can help them. I struggle with this whole ‘that’s cheating’ attitude. It’s something I need to UNTEACH my employees. It does NOT matter to me if you know how to do something, it matters to me that you can figure out how to do it. Most businesses, especially information based, need employees who know how to find and apply information, not that have a repository of facts in their heads. We are creating everything new – NO ONE knows how to do the things many companies deal with on a daily basis unless you are a clerk of some kind. We are figuring it all out on the fly. Building alliances, search skills, knowing where and how to find information – all these are what’s valuable.

The argument that school, memorization, and solitary work teaches you how to think is absolutely wrong. If we really want to teach people how to think, we should have a class called How To Think, not Ancient Greek History. You don’t teach thinking skills by forcing 30 people to memorize the same names, dates, and events. You do it by teaching principles, and by teaching directly the actual skills the education system claims to want to create.

We need more ‘How to Think’, ‘How to Collaborate’, ‘How to Negotiate’, ‘How to Resolve Conflict’ and less ‘Memorize a bunch of stuff for a test’

Plagiarism is an exception. Passing off someone elses work as your own is clearly wrong. But forcing kids to memorize facts and not giving them what’s truly important – that is to say thinking skills is the big problem here.

Thinking about plagiarism some more. I’m always telling my employees to research before writing – cobble together a collection of other people’s work and give me an opinion. Build on whats already out there, don’t start from scratch.

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